check out the photos in the listing that can be enlarged and the description-doesnt lay totally flat Vintage Indian Chief or Medicine Man Cross Stitch Oval Framed Click images to enlarge Description recent estate find doesn't lay totally flat cant tell if frame is wood or simulated wood - has a couple of small nicks approx 16-1/2 x 19-1/2 PHOTO IS OF THE ITEM BEING SOLD AND IS INCORPORATED INTO THE LISTING-check them out as to the condition - you be the judge local pick up is available in universal city or santa clarita - howver NO electronic payments at pick up No Returns or Refunds PAYMENT MUST BE MADE WITHIN 3 DAYS OF THE CLOSE OF THE AUCTION. IF YOU ARE USING A PAYPAL ECHECK IT MUST CLOSE WITHIN 3 DAYS OF THE CLOSE OF THE AUCTION. The Fine Print: While I sell everything "as is" - I take a lot of time to accurately describe every item, tell you what I know about the item and its condition. Please read the descriptions carefully. Also, feel free to ask any questions prior to the close of the auction. If there is a problem, please have the courtesy to contact me prior to posting negative feedback - in most cases things are easily resolved. Pictures sell! Auctiva offers Free Image Hosting and Editing. 300+ Listing Templates! Auctiva gets you noticed! The complete Selling Solution. Track Page Views With Auctiva's Counter